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jackinthe · May 28, 2010, 01:44 AM // 01:44

op mad b/c banned.
botters gonna bot.
suspensions would make everyone think anet goes easy on botters.
ban shows who's boss.

The Josip · May 28, 2010, 01:44 AM // 01:44

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

You gain nothing by stopping it before it even reaches the explorable area.

Really? I thought you gain some time, like, he brings you near the portal.

And come on give me a break, you go through all the trouble of setting a bot, you go into the game and... prevent the bot from reaching explorable area? And ANet bans you for what? Finds you how?

Seriously, if anything is worse than botters it's dumb botters and liar botters. Of all you pathetic botters only one, 1, was adult enough to admit a mistake and move on. No big deal. But the rest of you have typical hardcore criminal mentality and I wouldn't want to have any friendly relations with you IRL or in any game.

Shayne Hawke · May 28, 2010, 01:49 AM // 01:49

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Originally Posted by ShaneOfMach

I'm pretty sure if Anet just issued a 2 week ban on everyone who was suspected of botting and possibly wiping their platinum/ectos, it would've been more than enough to kill the momentum while still giving the players a chance to reflect on their misdemeanors.

It also means it wouldn't hinder the activity of GW and still allow them to keep around 2000 active players who are willing to change their ways.

Calling BS on this. A two-week ban and a removal of funds from botters seems like it would just be asking for botters to bot the hell out of the game, in order to remake all of their lost wealth. Long-time botters are probably not likely to come back to the game and actually play it themselves.

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It's not like you can have a bot for everything in the game, and the people who've achieved titles and completions like vanquishing, exploration, and guardian titles must've done it through hard work as well.

Pretty sure there are bots for vanquishing, or at least there have been bots in the works. I can't prove that or source it, not because it would be breaking GWGuru's rules, but because I don't know where exactly to find those bots. I just feel like lots of people have spoken about them like they really exist.

If they do exist, it would be just as easy to get cartography using that bot, and would also be easy to generate bots for missions. However, the reward of developing a bot that can complete one mission isn't comparable to the reward of developing a bot that can vanquish an area.

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Bottom line is: Permament bans for people with no prior offenses might be a little harsh. If you've effectively found a way to stop botting and detect it, then the people that you've banned don't become much of a threat to the game anymore.

I do believe there is a difference between a person who has been botting for months to make mass profits and maybe someone who grabbed a bot and ran it for an hour to see what it was like. ANet can make the decision on individual cases for whether they were doing it with the intention of utilizing it for long-term gain or as a test drive.

At face value though, bots are against the rules, punishment for use is a ban, and those are not facts that are a secret to anyone. If you took the risk to run a bot, for any reason or duration, you should never be surprised to find your account closed.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by The Josip

Really? I thought you gain some time, like, he brings you near the portal.

And come on give me a break, you go through all the trouble of setting a bot, you go into the game and... prevent the bot from reaching explorable area? And ANet bans you for what? Finds you how?

Seriously, if anything is worse than botters it's dumb botters and liar botters. Of all you pathetic botters only one, 1, was adult enough to admit a mistake and move on. No big deal. But the rest of you have typical hardcore criminal mentality and I wouldn't want to have any friendly relations with you IRL or in any game.

Setting up the bot took me less than 2 minutes...and now it is wrong to SAY what you actually did...

What I did is set up the bot,use it,then take back my actions before anything wrong happened...

I suspect A-net bans for dll injection,and even if I did it once,they have no way of knowing how much I gained...

And please,stop being so hostile...I would be honest like that guy and admit I botted and gained something IF I gained anything. I'm not trying to pick fights or anything,I'm just telling my story.

Ka Tet · May 28, 2010, 01:51 AM // 01:51

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Originally Posted by The Josip

As someone whose profession is law I can tell you this: prisons are a bad practice of modern age. There's nothing beneficial about prisons. Prisons are made by weak people. When you lack courage to kill someone, you put him in prison.

If this is true then I really need to get off this forum and begin advocating for stricter pre-employment screening and more comprehensive psychological exams for law enforcement. I'm not saying our current criminal justice system is good, but are you really advocating murdering anyone convicted of a crime?

The Josip · May 28, 2010, 02:00 AM // 02:00

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

If this is true then I really need to get off this forum and begin advocating for stricter pre-employment screening and more comprehensive psychological exams for law enforcement. I'm not saying our current criminal justice system is good, but are you really advocating murdering anyone convicted of a crime?

Are you really saying having sex with 4yr old kids is fine? Don't you see a problem with that?

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

And please,stop being so hostile...I would be honest like that guy and admit I botted and gained something IF I gained anything.

Yea, well, robber who got caught didn't gain anything either.

Don't get me wrong, I see your point, but see my reply to freedom_razor.

Zehnchu · May 28, 2010, 02:01 AM // 02:01

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

The problem with that is that if I boted for a few minutes,then decided to stop and look into the light (way before the ban),and I didn't gain any gold or tittle point from it,and it was the first time I ever try it...do you think I deserve the same ban as that guy that botted for all his hours,got all tittles with a bot,all money with the bot and has 91332243 ectos?

I took back my actions just in time,and I'm sure a few people out there did too...of course,I doubt A-net could have known this so I don't blame them either...Theres no one to blame in my situation other than myself,for those few minutes...but still...a perma ban..

In short yes, if you as innocent as you say then support will set you free.

You may think it's for one infraction but what about all the other infractions you aren't telling us?

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 02:05 AM // 02:05

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Originally Posted by Zehnchu

In short yes, if you as innocent as you say then support will set you free.

You may think it's for one infraction but what about all the other infractions you aren't telling us?

There are none. All I have used for more than 5 minutes is Textmod and Multilaunch,which is OK with A-net,as long as it doesn't do anything other than visual happiness(according to them)

Nerel · May 28, 2010, 02:09 AM // 02:09

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

You gain nothing by stopping it before it even reaches the explorable area.

Not true, you gained a ban.

But if you're seriously saying you only ever used a bot once, and you stopped botting before it even left the out post... then yeah, go beg to support, they may review the case (and piss themselves laughing).

dancing gnome · May 28, 2010, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by The Drunkard

No. The bottom line is that you need to accept responsibility for your actions and stop complaining about the consequences. It boggles my mind to see so many people on guru banned and then complaining, EVEN WHEN THE MAIN THREADS IN RIVERSIDE WERE DEMANDs FOR ANET TO BAN BOTS FOR THE PAST MONTH. You should know better.

This thread is just a excuse to vent frustration at Anet, and I think it should be closed.

The people who are dragging these threads down are the ones are are screaming "You broke the EULA, you should be banned" and then plugging their ears while kicking and screaming like children so they can't hear what anyone else is saying. There is nothing wrong with that point of view but having 700 people in every thread repeat it just bogs down the conversation and prevents any real discussions from happening.

The OP has a point. I think a lot of the people who got caught might not have been doing the same things as the people we think of when we think of botters. I think some of these people were perma banned for minor bot use such as just testing a bot out of curiosity or running a farm bot for a single day then realising it wasn't worth it. Sure these people did the wrong thing. Some of them probably even hurt the game in some way (which is easy to do without breaking the EULA). These people broke the EULA and that is a banable offence, almost none of them are contesting that so stop saying it as if it is new information. What many of them are asking, and some people who didn't get banned are also thinking, should every single ban be a permanent ban? Was this the best option to take against each individual?

In most societies people are given second chances for errors in judgement. Humans make mistakes, it's a reality. A-Net has a variety of actions they take against accounts which break the rules, bans just being one of them. If this recent group of banings simply hit people who had farm bots running 24/7 or people who abused PvP bots to interrupt or farm faction in arenas, I wouldn't have much of a problem with them being banned. I know people who bought gold (which is about the same as botting) got caught and got an account suspension. Their gold was cleared from their account but they had already bough lots of weapons and armour they were able to keep. Why is a suspension used in this scenario, whereas a ban is used in a botting scenario?

I think there is a case to be made for people who broke the rules, but had less dramatic infringements. I think it's a fair question to ask if a blanket perma ban across all infringers is the best action they could have taken, or if there were better options. I also think A-Net had this discussion internally (instead of plugging their ears and kicking and screaming like children about EULA breaches) and decided this was the best action to take.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 02:12 AM // 02:12

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Originally Posted by Nerel

Not true, you gained a ban.

But if you're seriously saying you only ever used a bot once, and you stopped botting before it even left the out post... then yeah, go beg to support, they may review the case (and piss themselves laughing).

Yea,insult the "botters" of being immature,then post stuff like that. (ofcourse,most botters are immature)

Please,if your going to quote me,do so by replying with a smart answer,not a

"Lul [email protected] ur a liaur go ask for anutz help crybaby lulz bai!"

Also,the fact that I was banned doesn't prove I gained anything from botting...The detection of bots was (probably) done with dll injection detection and,since I did it once,I was banned.

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

The people who are dragging these threads down are the ones are are screaming "You broke the EULA, you should be banned" and then plugging their ears while kicking and screaming like children so they can't hear what anyone else is saying. There is nothing wrong with that point of view but having 700 people in every thread repeat it just bogs down the conversation and prevents any real discussions from happening.

The OP has a point. I think a lot of the people who got caught might not have been doing the same things as the people we think of when we think of botters. I think some of these people were perma banned for minor bot use such as just testing a bot out of curiosity or running a farm bot for a single day then realising it wasn't worth it. Sure these people did the wrong thing. Some of them probably even hurt the game in some way (which is easy to do without breaking the EULA). These people broke the EULA and that is a banable offence, almost none of them are contesting that so stop saying it as if it is new information. What many of them are asking, and some people who didn't get banned are also thinking, should every single ban be a permanent ban? Was this the best option to take against each individual?

In most societies people are given second chances for errors in judgement. Humans make mistakes, it's a reality. A-Net has a variety of actions they take against accounts which break the rules, bans just being one of them. If this recent group of banings simply hit people who had farm bots running 24/7 or people who abused PvP bots to interrupt or farm faction in arenas, I wouldn't have much of a problem with them being banned. I know people who bought gold (which is about the same as botting) got caught and got an account suspension. Their gold was cleared from their account but they had already bough lots of weapons and armour they were able to keep. Why is a suspension used in this scenario, whereas a ban is used in a botting scenario?

I think there is a case to be made for people who broke the rules, but had less dramatic infringements. I think it's a fair question to ask if a blanket perma ban across all infringers is the best action they could have taken, or if there were better options. I also think A-Net had this discussion internally (instead of plugging their ears and kicking and screaming like children about EULA breaches) and decided this was the best action to take.

Read his post,then read this quote,then his post,then this quote...until you get it. +100k rep if it was possible.

Ka Tet · May 28, 2010, 02:20 AM // 02:20

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Originally Posted by The Josip

Are you really saying having sex with 4yr old kids is fine? Don't you see a problem with that?

Absolutely not, I'm saying I don't want your crazy ass trying to murder shoplifters.

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 02:23 AM // 02:23

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Originally Posted by Zarion Silverarrow

Yea,insult the "botters" of being immature,then post stuff like that. (ofcourse,most botters are immature)

Please,if your going to quote me,do so by replying with a smart answer,not a

"Lul [email protected] ur a liaur go ask for anutz help crybaby lulz bai!"

Also,the fact that I was banned doesn't prove I gained anything from botting...The detection of bots was (probably) done with dll injection detection and,since I did it once,I was banned.

ah look, the voice of maturity speaks again. he didn't go that far YOU did, then again he didn't earn a ban YOU did. YOU chose to break the rules, YOU recieved a punishment, YOU are responsible for appealing the ban with support. the choice to air your dirty laundry in a forum means YOU are subject to public opinion. since you started with your "don't i deserve a second chance?" crap in these forums you have achieved nothing more then the overall criticisms of the community in general. methinks your rally of support has died, is buried and is never to resurrect again.

freedom_razor · May 28, 2010, 02:28 AM // 02:28

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

ah look, the voice of maturity speaks again. he didn't go that far YOU did, then again he didn't earn a ban YOU did. YOU chose to break the rules, YOU recieved a punishment, YOU are responsible for appealing the ban with support. the choice to air your dirty laundry in a forum means YOU are subject to public opinion. since you started with your "don't i deserve a second chance?" crap in these forums you have achieved nothing more then the overall criticisms of the community in general. methinks your rally of support has died, is buried and is never to resurrect again.

Awww c'mon, I support the guy. The punishment should be served depending on the severity of the offence. You and so many ppl here, would you like, next time when you say ' I'm sorry I won't do it again ' to have your life terminated or would you you prefer some other form of punishment?

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 02:36 AM // 02:36

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

ah look, the voice of maturity speaks again. he didn't go that far YOU did, then again he didn't earn a ban YOU did. YOU chose to break the rules, YOU recieved a punishment, YOU are responsible for appealing the ban with support. the choice to air your dirty laundry in a forum means YOU are subject to public opinion. since you started with your "don't i deserve a second chance?" crap in these forums you have achieved nothing more then the overall criticisms of the community in general. methinks your rally of support has died, is buried and is never to resurrect again.

I consider it mature to stop a bad action just before it happens.

I'm more than OK with opinions and criticism,but I'm tired of people just clicking the reply button without reading what I said..more than half of the replies have been

"You deserved it,you gained money from the bot and you deserved it"

Did I gain anything? For the 1000000000000th,no.

I'm not looking for support,stop blabering and guessing stuff. This is what made A-net ban people like me. Guessing.

As I said,I'm not posting here to get my account back,I'm not posting here for Q_Qing,I'm not posting here for support,I'm posting here because I just plain want others to know what happened to my account,and I want to know what they think.

YunSooJin · May 28, 2010, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by Eragon Zarroc

yes, it was appropriate. must set an example.

the ironing....

cormac ap dunn · May 28, 2010, 02:38 AM // 02:38

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Originally Posted by freedom_razor

Awww c'mon, I support the guy. The punishment should be served depending on the severity of the offence. You and so many ppl here, would you like, next time when you say ' I'm sorry I won't do it again ' to have your life terminated or would you you prefer some other form of punishment?

If you were the one getting botted in PvP, would you say that the guy on the other end is a severe offender? even if its his first time or millionth time using the bot, he did damage to everyones play, style, and overall enjoyment of the game. so unless you want a team of bot vs a team of bots ( go buy a sim) you deal with the overall action the same way each time. its the same program, you give him 2 weeks, he moves to a less detectable bot, message sent? change your method of cheating, not the overall behavior... welcome to the first bot, the gateway to more effective botting.

pumpkin pie · May 28, 2010, 02:40 AM // 02:40

Yes perma-ban is the way to do it, if ArenaNet had been soft, and given botters/cheaters back their accounts, they just repeat the offence, because they know they get their account back.

Zarion Silverarrow · May 28, 2010, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by cormac ap dunn

If you were the one getting botted in PvP, would you say that the guy on the other end is a severe offender? even if its his first time or millionth time using the bot, he did damage to everyones play, style, and overall enjoyment of the game. so unless you want a team of bot vs a team of bots ( go buy a sim) you deal with the overall action the same way each time. its the same program, you give him 2 weeks, he moves to a less detectable bot, message sent? change your method of cheating, not the overall behavior... welcome to the first bot, the gateway to more effective botting.

I didn't bot on PVP....all my botting did was walk about 20 steps,and I get the same ban as the guy that earned 200 ectos,a butload of minipets,tittles,etc.

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Originally Posted by pumpkin pie

Yes perma-ban is the way to do it, if ArenaNet had been soft, and given botters/cheaters back their accounts, they just repeat the offence, because they know they get their account back.

What about a 2 week ban,then a perma ban if the offence is repeated?With probation that will include HIGH monitoring?

Ofcourse,with the exeption of about 3500 of the people that botted 24/7,I think this is a good idea.

The Josip · May 28, 2010, 02:42 AM // 02:42

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Originally Posted by tha walkin dude

Absolutely not, I'm saying I don't want your crazy ass trying to murder shoplifters.

I don't want you praying on 4yr old kids, you pedophile. Stop trying to make pedophilia look ok, it's not.